Nokia 770 vs UMPC

Edit (7/12/07): Since this post, I have owned a Nokia 770 Internet Tablet, an n800 and an eo UMPC. It should tell you something that I kept the 770 and n800 but sold the UMPC.

Update: RogerS over at InternetTabletTalk has a response to Mike Cane’s Nokia 770 complaints. Interesting reading. I think if I had known a little more about the 770, I might have purchased it instead of the Palm TX back in January.

The 770 is nowhere near as exciting as the UMPC. I bet the handheld linux community is actually more excited than most of us about UMPC.

Mike Cane left the following comment in a Scoble post. Normally I wouldn’t reprint something like this in its entirety, but I’ve seen TONS of comments about UMPC being a more expensive 770 and it’s driving me nuts, too. I don’t own a 770, but I’ve been reading what the 770 community has to say about problems with the 770 that are just not going to be issues with the UMPC. Mike discusses the topic in this quoted statement.

OK, now I’m bloody *mad*.

The countless eejits chattering around the web have crossed the line once too often. It’s time to set them straight, shove them back from the line, and show them for the eejits they are!

If I read one more time that a UMPC is “just an overpriced Nokia 770,” I will explode!

Anyone who *has* a 770 can tell you straight: The UMPC is *not* a Nokia 770 in any way, shape, or form.

The 770’s Opera browser mysteriously goes Poof! and suddenly disappears while browsing. I don’t think this will happen with a UMPC.

A site such as Palm Addict takes *over two minutes* to load on a 770. I think it will be a few seconds on a UMPC.

The 770 cannot display embedded video on sites such as Google Video or YouTube. A UMPC can.

The 770 cannot play DiVX/Xvid AVI or QuickTime video. A UMPC will.

The 770 has no browser plug in for FURL. No problem for a UMPC.

Forget word processing on a 770. Its Notes program chokes on as little as 10K of text. And the one free real WP program that’s available is hardly useable because the contortions someone has to go through to have a reliable working keyboard for WP just aren’t worth going through. A UMPC can use any USB or Bluetooth keyboard easily, and there are tons of WP programs available — not just *one*.

Yesterday the 770 I’ve been using for several months had to be rebooted *six times* because of its weak CPU and pathetic RAM. In my first hour of using it this morning I had a crash and reboot. This is its *typical day*. Crash, reboot, crash, reboot. I had a Toshiba GENIO Pocket PC — something infamous for its PPC 2002 OS instability. The 770 is a step *down* from that. Most of you don’t want to know what I call my 770. It is filthy and obscene. *Yet deserved!*

The 770 has a 200MHz CPU with 64MB of RAM. A UMPC will have a 900MHz-1+GHz CPU and most will have half a gig of RAM. If you are *still* dumb enough to think a UMPC is just a larger 770, take your desktop machine and put it in your closet. Replace it with a desktop PC that shares the specs of the 770. Then tell me how the second desktop is just like your original one — only cheaper!

I will be *glad* to exchange the *dysfunctionality* of a 770 for a UMPC with *real* usefulness, *speed*, *compatibility* with all web pages, and the ability to hook up any peripheral.

You eejits harping about the 770 don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. So shut up! shut up! shut up!

And as for UMPC being “overhyped” — baloney. It takes being traumatized by something like the 770 before you can *appreciate* a UMPC. What’s that you say? — it’s just another kind of Sony VAIO U *at less than half the price*? Just what I want! Thank you, Intel and Microsoft!!

8 responses to “Nokia 770 vs UMPC”

  1. Mike Cane says :

    Oh, so YOU’RE the guy starting trouble, eh?

    Seriously, it was a public comment. And I stand by ALL of it.

    Everyone is invited to go find a working 770 at CUSA or another retailer and put in this URL:

    http://palmaddict.typepad.com/

    And then see if my two minutes is correct.

    I also forgot to mention that there are sites the 770 WON’T LOAD AT ALL.

  2. Avi says :

    I have a 770 — just got one and it does what its supposed to.

    Regarding loading http://palmaddict.typepad.com/ … well Firefox on my PC also took two minutes to download that site.

    This tells me nothing about the 770 but rather tells me that the above site is just poorly designed.

  3. Mickey says :

    ok, but let’s take a look at whatis on palmaddict.typepad.com…

    THERE ARE 523895278947295479237928 LINKS TO FUCKING PHOTOBUCKET LINKS

    The website is designed with like 5 megs worth of ads to fuck your screen. Of course the 770 won’t work with it. Just like it probably won’t work with the clusterfuck webpages at myspace either. Yes, bad web pages will clog an embedded internet tablet. You win.

  4. The Fool One says :

    Well, Mike Cane is comparing a thing that cost $150 to a $1500 laptop like handholded pc. well, my whole set desktop which is pretty powerful and small cost less then $1500 and it is only 6 time faster then any umpc. no kidding. plus. it seem like you know nothing about the OS that is on nokia 770. it is a linux system. in order word, you can do whatever you want with it. For people who like to coding program or small website, this little $150 device are the golden one. why? well it have bluetooth which mean it can connect to us keyboard that use bluetooth. of course you need to do something to get it work, might be a bit of work for most of the people. no problem to geek. But it is 100% do able. plus this thing can play MP3 and internet radio. and other little thing like read some simple stuff. but remember one thing you only pay 150!!! for all those. well the this reading are kind of funny. but yeah. in my point of view. umpc are point i mean you can get a laptop for that price, and it is not that much bigger. or choose the nokia 770 for 150. or maybe buy a bluetooth key which cost another 100$ but that is optional. But One for fact. there are so much cool thing are out there you just need to discover what can they really do for you.

  5. Get it right! says :

    “The 770’s Opera browser mysteriously goes Poof! and suddenly disappears while browsing. I don’t think this will happen with a UMPC.” You don’t think or you know? This happens to me on Windows XP too because it takes up too much ram.

    “A site such as Palm Addict takes *over two minutes* to load on a 770. I think it will be a few seconds on a UMPC.” You think or you know? As stated before, it takes a couple minutes in windows on firefox too.

    “The 770 cannot display embedded video on sites such as Google Video or YouTube. A UMPC can.”

    Yes, out of the box it can’t. 2007 OS version works fine. Sure you need a few modifications, but both those work on the 770.

    “The 770 cannot play DiVX/Xvid AVI or QuickTime video. A UMPC will.”

    Haven’t got those working yet, but also haven’t tried.

    “Forget word processing on a 770. Its Notes program chokes on as little as 10K of text. And the one free real WP program that’s available is hardly useable because the contortions someone has to go through to have a reliable working keyboard for WP just aren’t worth going through. A UMPC can use any USB or Bluetooth keyboard easily, and there are tons of WP programs available — not just *one*.”

    No problems with my BT keyboard. Try getting a 1GB or 2GB MMCmobile addon card for $20-40… alocate virtual memory or even set it to run off the memory card instead of the 770. Should fix that problem for you.

    “Yesterday the 770 I’ve been using for several months had to be rebooted *six times* because of its weak CPU and pathetic RAM. In my first hour of using it this morning I had a crash and reboot. This is its *typical day*. Crash, reboot, crash, reboot. I had a Toshiba GENIO Pocket PC — something infamous for its PPC 2002 OS instability. The 770 is a step *down* from that. Most of you don’t want to know what I call my 770. It is filthy and obscene. *Yet deserved!*”

    I don’t have this problem. If you’re loading way too much on it or isntalled junk halfhazardly to make it instable, don’t blame the machine. Windows does that too if you blindy install every last thing you can find with no regard for what it does to your system.

    “The 770 has a 200MHz CPU with 64MB of RAM. A UMPC will have a 900MHz-1+GHz CPU and most will have half a gig of RAM. If you are *still* dumb enough to think a UMPC is just a larger 770, take your desktop machine and put it in your closet. Replace it with a desktop PC that shares the specs of the 770. Then tell me how the second desktop is just like your original one — only cheaper!”

    Yes a UMPC is more powerful, but it is also $1000 min, while a 770 is $200-300 right now. That’s 5x the price for something you’re mainly just going to be using for browsing, a little text editing, pdf viewing etc… anyway. UMPC’s are just more powerful versions of this.

    “I will be *glad* to exchange the *dysfunctionality* of a 770 for a UMPC with *real* usefulness, *speed*, *compatibility* with all web pages, and the ability to hook up any peripheral.”

    Yes a UMPC is more powerful and works better with media designed for windows. It’ll also cost you $900 more for that privelage. If that’s worth it for the added functionality, go ahead and get it. For most people, a device that’s very similar and a fraction of the cost will be more than enough.

    I’d venture to say you’re gonna have trouble doing CAD, playing WoW, Editing in Creative Suite, or anything else power intensive on a UMPC. So really you’re just using it for the same things a 770 is being used for. If you have no idea what you’re doing, it’s easy to trash linux through incompatible packages or messed up settings. It’s also possible you just have a defective unit, in which case there’s a thing called a warranty.

    I love people who buy something inexpensive of decent quality and say it’s crud at the first sign of trouble. Instead of railing about how much better UMPC’s are why don’t you at least try to fix your darn thing. Yes, something that costs more than 5x the price will work better out of the box – I damn well hope so. Does that mean nothing will ever go wrong with it? No. And then you’ll be whining about how awful your UMPC is because it doesn’t work right when you mess that up too.

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